Get your iodine tablets! Hopefully, this isn't the case as it's a extreme what if prediction.
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Get your iodine tablets! Hopefully, this isn't the case as it's a extreme what if prediction.
http://www.rumormillnews.com/pix3/falloutmap.JPG
It probably won't be serious enough to affect us, but this is more serious than Japan is leading everyone to believe, I can guarantee you that. Knowing a bit about how Nuclear plants work, the fact that the reactors are reaching temperatures hot enough to create hydrogen explosions from the seawater that they are trying to pump through it to cool it is a pretty telling sign that a meltdown is imminent.
Those plants have newer safeguards and containment, but probably aren't totally fail safe in extreme situations. Could be bad.
I agree the government is not telling the entire truth. Hopefully, our Aircraft carriers can be of some help.
I saw this on Reuters:
Quote:
The Japanese accident rated a 4 on an international scale of severity that goes from one to seven -- Chernobyl was worst at 7 and Three Mile Island was a 5.
by Alister.Doyle at 11:24 AMQuote:
Three Mile Island involved a partial meltdown but it was contained in the reactor. The Japanese are working to do the same thing here -- a meltdown won't spell a health disaster if it is contained within the reactor.
Latest report says the rods are probably melting, which doesn't surprise me given the explosions. So technically it is a meltdown. It will only have catastrophic consequences though if the containment fails, which they say right now is intact.
Took long enough.Quote:
The U.S. nuclear regulatory commission says the Japanese government has formally asked the U.S. for help with cooling nuclear reactors
I bet one of the guys I went to school with would be part of helping them... he went into the Navy after college to run a nuclear reactor on a submarine.
Going to shrink Japan's habitable land mass in half if it goes at the rate it seems to be. The global concern that I have with it is how it will affect ocean waters/marine life as radioactive particles will no doubt be pretty heavily distributed into the ocean if a full meltdown occured.
Chernobyl's radiation affected most of Europe, but not to any severe levels outside of the contaminated zone, so I don't believe that there is a whole lot to fear in that regard in America.
Fukushima Nuclear Accident – a simple and accurate explanation
http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/1...e-explanation/
That map is likely bullshit..
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Originally Posted by Australian Radiation Services
DISCLAIMER: Australian Radiation Services is aware of information about radioactive contamination being spread from the Japanese nuclear reactor incident released under the ARS logo and name. We wish to be clear that this information has not originated from ARS and as such distance ourselves from any such misinformation.
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The map looks fishy even from a first glance. It was not issued with any warning, link to a regulatory organization, or press release. It was not vetted by any organization. Instead it contains the logo of "Australian Radiation Services".
A simple search on the internet reveals that this is a small private company in Australia which offers clients services in dealing with legal compliance and radiation monitoring. As fas as I could tell, the handful of employees working here have no expertise in climatology, which would be needed to determine wind strength and other factors necessary to model weather patterns.
Neither would they be expected to have any idea of what state the reactors were in (which was not already a part of the public domain). After all they are not a government regulatory agency!
Lastly, simply googling the numbers would reveal to anyone that they are preposterously high. The total dose per person in a defined area of Europe with closest proximity to the more-serious Chernobyl explosion was predicted to be 0.5 Rads over a period of three weeks of exposure.
The map circulating over the internet showed a ballpark number that was 6,000 times more serious that Chernobyl without any given time-period.
No, what probably happened was some conceited bastard with a lot of time on his hands photoshopped the map from a a screenshot of a Google map and added the Australian Radiation Services logo. All he or she needed to do was to tweet it or post it.
Yeah I thought it was just some random nutjobs map didn't even see the ARS logo. It was just meant to start conversation.
One of my college roommates/Rosemount grad married a Japanese girl and moved to (Tokyo I think)... He's been posting on FB, 50 aftershocks in the first 12 hrs, mandatory 3hr blackouts in the afternoons... and pictures of nearly empty shelves in his local store...
Ongoing nuke news..
http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/
Scared the shit out of me, had to check it out, 750 rads is bad..Quote:
Originally Posted by Klaus
Two Japanese volcanoes have erupted after the quake.
http://youtu.be/04HPOmJ8vfE
http://youtu.be/Y44fKaTDjLI
Also a pair of volcanoes on the Russian Kamchatka Peninsula erupted.
Whats next, Gor-zirrah?
Maybe the apocalypse is beginning a year early... :rolleyes:
/use Tainted Core
/y <------- TAINTED CORE TO: %t ! ! !
/s <------- TAINTED CORE TO: %t ! ! !
/script SendChatMessage("!!! YOU HAVE THE CORE !!!", "WHISPER", nil, UnitName("target"))
Wow, now THIS is bad... a spent fuel pool at a different reactor caught fire somehow (no idea how that would have happened since the pool is just water) and it is likely that a bunch of the water is boiling off, possibly exposing the spend fuel rods that are stored in the pool. The actual radioactive metals should be within their protective casings, but if any of those casings are damaged, you will have radiation leaking all over the place.
This is a much worse situation than the actual reactors melting down because the reactors have the concrete shielding around them that should prevent any radiation from leaking even if the whole core melts down. But these pools only have water shielding the radiation, and if that water is now gone or at least partially gone enough to expose the rods, they have a big problem.
Since high levels of radiation were reported near the plant after that fire (11,930 mSv/hr), my guess is that is exactly what happened.
Looks like the radiation levels are dropping and I believe they plan to dump water into the damaged building to cover the rods. First lesson learned from this is to not have steam venting into buildings that caused the Hydrogen build up and explosion.
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Failure to keep adequate water levels in a pool would lead to a catastrophic fire, said nuclear experts, some of whom think that unit 1’s pool may now be outside.
“That would be like Chernobyl on steroids,” said Arnie Gundersen, a nuclear engineer at Fairewinds Associates and a member of the public oversight panel for the Vermont Yankee nuclear plant, which is identical to the Fukushima Daiichi unit 1.
People familiar with the plant said there are seven spent fuel pools at Fukushima Daiichi, many of them densely packed.
Yeah, I have no clue why those reactors would be designed to vent steam from the reactor into the building rather than directly outside. My guess is the thinking behind that is maybe the building will partially contain any vented decay byproducts that are radioactive until they also decay. It seems to me though that there is more risk in the possibility of explosion which may damage the concrete shielding.
According to WIKI the earthquake's released energy was 600 million times more than that of the Hiroshima bomb. WOW!
http://tech.mit.edu/V131/N13/yost.html
I hope this is correct.
It is interesting to watch the American news after reading Reuters and reading the article Joe posted. I just heard an anchor say the fuel rods in reactor 4 are burning..... But the actual reports say its the building and not the actual rods.
You're welcome Japan, after all we showed you how to handle fallout.
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Originally Posted by Klaus
Yeah, they clearly don't have the level of scientific support & understanding to report accurately, and it seems there are some translation problems too.. Like the fuel rods don't burn, and the spent fuel rod pool was not on fire....
From NEI:
He keeps updating that article @bravenewclimate.. Good diagrams.. I still don't really understand where/what the secondary containment is.Quote:
Tokyo Electric Power Co. said that an oil leak in a cooling water pump at Unit 4 was the cause of a fire that burned for approximately 140 minutes. The fire was not in the spent fuel pool, as reported by several media outlets. Unit 4 was in a 105-day-long maintenance outage at the time of the earthquake and there is no fuel in the reactor.
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquak...n/Asia_eqs.php
Looks like they are getting 5.0-6.0 earthquakes about every 10 minutes or so since the big one.
I think the secondary containment is the hardened concrete building around the reactor. At the Japan plants they have a wooden building over the concrete containment building to protect the workers but does not contain anything.
I find Reuters the best source for live info.
http://live.reuters.com/Event/Japan_earthquake2
( Click to show/hide )
http://mitnse.com/2011/03/15/unit-2-...uel-pool-fire/
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Hydrogen gas from the cladding oxidation with steam collected in the suppression pool and ignited. This scenario differs from those of units 1 and 3 where the explosion occurred outside the primary containment in the upper part of the reactor building. The reasons why the steam/gas mixture was not released to the reactor building are still not clear. This breach of primary containment is certainly more serious than the situation in units 1 and 3.
My favorite mis-information from last night was all the "all workers told to abandon the plant" stories. Pure reporting without knowing the details.
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BBC: "Hiroko Tabuchi of the New York Times tweets: "More on plant workers: they took cover for 45mins on site&left water pumps running. There was no suspension of operations. TEPCO official""
comment by sputnik at 5:27 AM
I would think we could provide more help then just a Global Hawk but I guess it's a start...
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TOKYO, March 17, Kyodo
The U.S. military will operate a Global Hawk unmanned high-altitude reconnaissance aircraft over a stricken nuclear power plant in Fukushima Prefecture, possibly on Thursday, to take a closer look at its troubled reactors, a Japanese government source said Wednesday.
Photographs taken by the plane equipped with infrared sensors could provide a useful clue to what is occurring inside the reactor buildings, around which high-level radiation has been detected.
The planned mission comes as the Japanese government appears unable to contain the crisis days after the coastal nuclear plant was struck by a magnitude 9.0 earthquake and tsunami.
It would represent a deepening of Japanese-U.S. cooperation in coping with the escalating crisis, with the U.S. military having already provided logistical transportation, and search and rescue efforts in the wake of the disaster that hit northeastern Japan.
I think the US has basically been waiting for Japan to ask for things, specific aid or help, etc. And per their culture they don't typically do so, maybe dishonorable or whatever...
It is weird that the Power company is still in charge (apparently they don't have a particularly stellar reputation), and that the govt hasn't taken over at some point.. I know the military is helping elsewhere.. I wonder what really could be done to help after the explosions/fires tho...
Did you catch that early on they were not able to use the back up generators that were brought in to run the plant, because they didn't have the right type of plugs? So the batterys died and pump systems stopped and thats what caused the pools to initially lack fresh water being pumped in and started the whole mess... Foiled by plugs.. Are you kidding me..?
I gotta believe we could get a thermal imaging satellite over that area to get some information on the various reactors and spent fuel pools conditions. I'm surprised we have not seen such images. Perhaps the military has them but does not release that type of info...
I have to believe the circling aircraft can do so as well...
FFR
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/2...6radiation.jpg
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/6...ationchart.jpg
Just for reference, to give it some scale. There is still the "short term/high exposure - long term/low exposure" aspect..
I just think it's time to stop fucking around and bring in whatever resources are needed to fight this. The power company and some firemen with a riot hose? Really. Even the helicopters turned back that were going to dump water on the reactor buildings because the radiation levels were too high...... I bet if they were military copters with pilots ordered to dump we might be in a better position.
Tonight the US started to split from the Japan and tell US citizens to evacuate further from the plant. It appears Japans leadership is in way over it's head..... And where the fuck is Obama? Vacations need to be cancelled when shit like this is going down.
I've read comments that it wasn't just radiation that turned the helo back, but that it may not be the best idea to go dumping water in on some of those buildings that have blown because the debris will just deflect the water and flood the surrounding area with more radioactive materials... The roofs were designed to catch water and route it into the pools but all that was lost when they hydrogen explosions ripped the roofs off/collapsed the gantry cranes.. ?
Its pretty apparent there are reasons they don't make these types of plants like this anymore, and have refined the designs....
I was out in the field today, just got caught up, man its bad... Pray the bottom of the containment(s) wasnt breached and will hold all the mass meltdown(s), but in the meantime the real challenge will be to cap each with all that debris.. Bad news..
Now they are dropping some helo loads?
Standardization is key...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jomama
http://images.scribblelive.com/2011/...d12095_500.jpg
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According to Kyodo News TEPCO claims that helicopter drops were effective at cooling the spent fuel pool and that operations will be comenced tomorrow morning.
This is the big problem they have right now that is causing all the radiation, and Japan has been totally downplaying it. The fires in that spend fuel pool were likely the actual fuel rods burning since the water was gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Star Tribune
There are other news reports that say the helicopter water drops seemed unsuccessful:
It's probably all they can do right now though. They can't get in there for any extended period of time to do major repairs on the cooling systems, and for some reason they have been unsuccessful in setting up any kind of system to pump water into the pools. I don't see why they just cant setup a pump to lift seawater and pump it directly into the pool through a fire hose.Quote:
Originally Posted by MSNBC