I just think in both cases, so far, they made two great storylines bad...
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I just think in both cases, so far, they made two great storylines bad...
Also it appears there was a promo mistake last night because there are 3 episodes left this season (last night was ep7). No Blackwater until 9.
Anyone else notice "The Mountain" is played by a different actor this year?
At first I just thought he lost weight... but looked on the GoT wiki and the guy who played it last year got a big part in "The Hobbit" and was recast... The guy playing him now is who was in the White Walker suit at the beginning of ep. 1..
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Did I miss something or is there a new Jamie Lanister actor?
I think it's the same guy.
http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Jaime_Lannister
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He just looks different covered in shit..
It sure looks like a different actor when he is on the road with that big warrior bitch in the very last episode. Maybe it's just me.
That was one big ass green flame ball...
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There are a lot that wasn't in the book and a lot they haven't put in that I think is very needed. Mostly the Reeds kids. I think the season is still really good though. The kid that plays Joffrey is so good. I love to hate him. I think the series has really good actors all around though. I pictured Brienne with longer hair but other then that she is exactly how I thought she would be.
I liked Blackwater. They did a really good job of not completely cheesing out on the battle (I guess the first draft had everything taking place in the queens church with reports from battle coming in so they didn't need to show the battle. They asked for more money from HBO and were able to film the battle). They simplified the battle a bit. Not really a spoiler from the book but I will hide it anyway:
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I read about how they were originally planning to do the battle cheap with updates going to the Queen's room. That would have been a series ruiner imo. This season was good but I don't think it had as much action/tension as last year. Without that battle it really would have been a disappointment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Klaus
I think the next episode should be really good if they end it where I think they will. The next book was my fav so next season should be really good. The story line on/over the wall gets really good and the stuff in Kings Landing is pretty awesome as well.
I re-watched Blackwater last night and really liked the dialog - a lot of it wasn't from the book but I understand Martin wrote it so that's a pretty cool 2nd angle.
Holy lord this 2nd season is fantastic. I didn't expect it to be this good...it's blowing me away.
Here's some awesomeness: Roy Dotrice was the voice behind the audiobooks, which is how I've "read" Game of Thrones beyond book 1. Awesome reader, and the guy's life story is actually quite amazing:
- Fought in World War II in the RAF
- Spent 4 years in a German POW camp
- 50 year veteran of stage & screen, with Guiness Book of Records for greatest number of solo performances by an actor in a play (1,782 performances)
- Met George R.R. Martin in 1988 while working on "Beauty and the Beast" TV series, GRRM was a writer.
- Voiced all the audiobooks for Game of Thrones other than book 4 (another Guiness Record for "largest number of characters voiced in an audiobook") and I'll say, as someone who's listened to them all, he's incredible.
- How about this: he actually couldn't read the 4th book due to conflicts and the demand was so high for him that he re-recorded book 4 in 2011.
- Was originally hired to play Grand Maester Pycelle but due to health reasons he had to step aside and instead he was called out as "Guest Starring Roy Dotrice" in the latest episode, as he played Hallyne, head of the Alchemists' Guild.
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Also, is it just me or is Jaqen H'ghar awesome?
He's sooooo dreamy ;)
Loved it! The Dani and the dragons was the best scene and finally made that boring storyline worth it. Didn't like how the Jon Snow "traitor" storyline played out... In the book Halfhand tells him straight out to kill him when they are cornered by Rattleshirt in a cave - then they rush out and Jon turns on him and kills him in a fight. More convincing of a traitor but whatever - gets to the same point in the story for next season.
Poor imp... :(
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Tyrion Lannister @Tyrion_Halfman
"You know In Westeros they call a quarter pounder with cheese a Halfman with cheese".
A little bit about new characters for Season 3
http://www.wired.com/underwire/2012/...me-of-thrones/
That link also has a review of season 2 that NAILs the sophomore slump effect i was trying to convey earlier.
In the comments someone mentioned that 95% of viewers have not read the books... if that's true and I don't see anything to back it up I understand the simplistic approach in S2.
I just think, they only make it bad/worse by playing to the lowest common denominator.
They also have to consider, their audience is not just fanboys of the books... This show is clearly popular with a whole cross section of people who would not normally watch a "fantasy epic" or w/e u want to call it.
Just reminds me that I'm glad I don't know book/show comparisons till after the show airs :D
There are a thousand named characters in the first 3 books?? Thats crazy... and clearly impossible to portray in 10 hours of TV.
9 out of 10 times it just has to be whats practical to make 10 hours of TV without a lot of open ended plot lines that they may never get a chance to go back to (ala' Lost)...
I guess the problem i have is they had the right formula in season 1 and they deviated from it. Stick as close to the source material as possible. Quit making up your own stuff. I totally get that they need to streamline and cut characters and even entire storylines. That is expected, they did that in season 1 and it worked fine. But when they tried to dumb down the storylines they did take from and make up their own twists and plots they just fell well short of GRRM's work and writing.
I'm not a fanboy. But what Peter Jackson did with the lord of the rings was brilliant. He used technology to bring the original characters and story to life not try to make the story more palatable for modern day morons who want trashy daytime TV type plot twists and stereotypes...
I'll say this. It's still must watch stuff but it makes me want to read the books even more...
Season 1 = 5/5
Season 2 = 4/5
Lord of the Rings also had a budget of like $300 million for 9-10 hours of film. I think I read GoT had a budget of $60 million for season 2's 10 hourlong episodes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chadwick
I think the difficult thing they had to navigate was keeping their actors happy. Daenarys doesn't have a whole lot of activity in the book from what I understand for this season, so they added a little twist to her story.
I don't really understand what the reason for tweaking Jon Snow's story was, that was only one I felt was completely unnecesssary.
I think the Daenary storyline didnt need what they did to it and they should have flushed out the house of the undying to follow the book more...it was one of the best parts of the 2nd book.
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My guess is, its fucking goddamn expensive to shoot on location in Iceland... They kept it simple.. because ultimately they just need to get Jon Snow with the wildling army and King beyond the Wall right?? did they simplify it too much maybe, sure..
They've mentioned this in the Wired articles, but S1 had several full blown tournament jousting scenes, where-as S2 showed two scenes that were supposed to be jousting, and they turned them into plan old man-on-man combat.. Why = $$$
They are definitely using every bit of budget they have... Maybe HBO will give them a bump for S3?
Fact is some shit just wont translate from book to film, or it will take way too much time and money... Something that can be explained, w/backstory and context in two pages in a book can be impossible to put to screen in a reasonable timeframe..
Hot body but I am not a fan of her nose...
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Anyway I thought the Daenary storyline in the book was super boring and actually in this case prefer the shows version.
Interview with George Martin:
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HBO Since the last time we spoke with you, ‘Game of Thrones' has found the same great success as a TV show that it already had as a book series. What's it like see your story told in two places?
George R.R. Martin We really have two audiences now, which is a unique challenge for a TV show. We have the viewers who are coming to the TV show without any knowledge of the books. And we have the readers, who have read the books, many times in many cases. Sometimes those two audiences give very different reactions to the same things. For the viewers experiencing it for the first time, it's just a matter of, "Is it exciting? Is it involving?" The readers care about those things, too, but they're also saying, "Well, this is how it was in the books ..."
HBO You wrote the script for the episode "Blackwater," which aired recently -- was it difficult for you to translate your vision from the books onto the screen?
George R.R. Martin It's very difficult. Prose and film have different techniques and weapons that they use. In a book, I have internal monologue and can give you access to a character's thoughts. He can tell a lie, but you're in his head, so you know he's lying. While you're watching on the screen, you're just hearing what he's saying -- the actor has to sell it with his eyes and the set of his mouth. And great actors can do that. Each of these mediums has its own strengths and weaknesses, and when you're moving from one to the other, it's always a challenge. If you look at the Battle of the Blackwater in the books, it occupies seven or eight chapters, intercutting from three points of view. If you shot it as I wrote it in the book, it would cost $100 million and take two months to shoot.
HBO And the entire story is so complex. When you're working on the books, how difficult is it to weigh and keep track of all your decisions?
George R.R. Martin Sometimes I make the decisions wrongly. My process as a writer is not one of thoroughly outlining ahead of time, which can result in my muse leading me down blind alleys and dead ends. I write a chapter and it seems great in and of itself, but then I realize a month later or half a year later that I don't want to go down that street. So then I have to double back and rewrite and so forth. It's almost a subconscious thing -- when it's right, it feels right, and when it doesn't feel right, I keep niggling at it until it does.
HBO In the season finale, one of everyone's favorite characters, Tyrion Lannister, finds himself in a miserable position. Was it hard for you to smack him down so quickly after his moment of triumph?
George R.R. Martin Well, you know, you don't want to make it too easy for the characters. If the character just goes from success to success, then you don't have much of a story, now do you? But I guess it's one of my trademarks as an author to always ask the question, "OK, what next?" We see a lot of books and movies and television shows, where you see some situation come up and then the resolution of it along pretty traditional -- or even stereotypical -- lines. That's great, but what happens next? We see this with Theon and taking Winterfell. "OK, Theon, you very cleverly tricked the Starks. Singers will sing of this for hundreds of years ... What's next? How do you hang onto this?" That question, on a whole bunch of levels, has always fascinated me, and there's a lot of that in "A Song of Ice and Fire."
HBO One final question on behalf of all your fans -- how's the next book coming?
George R.R. Martin I'm working on that, and a number of "Ice and Fire" related things at the same time. Not only "The Winds of Winter," which is Book 6, but we're also coming out with a big concordance called "The World of Ice and Fire," which is about the whole history of Westeros and will be lavishly illustrated. So I've been filling in some of the histories of the kings who ruled 200 years ago or 500 years ago. We've also been doing a map book, and I'm working on a new novella about Dunk and Egg, the prequel series I have. It's a slow process the way I write, especially books of this size that are as large and complex as they are. It's still a slow process. I am aware of the TV series moving along behind me like a giant locomotive, and I know I need to lay the track more quickly, perhaps, because the locomotive is soon going to be bearing down on me. The last thing I want is for the TV series to catch up with me. I've got a considerable headstart, but production is moving faster than I can write. I'm hoping that we'll finish the story at about the same time... we'll see.